Well, I no longer have to guess: it's official that I AM on the sucker list (see other comments I've made). They called me again on 05/23/2013. They are persistent, but unfortunately for them, I will never support them because of all the harassment.
 Jun 08th, 2013
Please do NOT call me on Shabbat (the Sabbath), better yet don't call me at all! I don't like when Riff-Raff calls be during my Bible Reading time on Shabbat! Darn companies should not call during the Sabbath!
Lonny Roseland
 Jun 06th, 2013
I must be on a 'sucker' phone list. This harassing organization continues to call me even though I've never donated to them (and as if I ever will)! They have called me on: 04/13/2013 - 1pm; 04/15/2013 - 2pm; 04/17/2013 - 2pm; 04/19/2013 - 10am.
 May 13th, 2013
I called this numder for the VVA back & waited on the phone to get a real person and they had me removed from their list in 48 hours. They called every couple days until then. The entire call took maybe 2 minutes. Trust me it is worth it. They call at the worst times.
 Feb 01st, 2013
 Jan 25th, 2013
VVA might be a good organization for Vietnam Vets, but they are an annoyance at my house. They've call on 01/02, 01/08, 01/09/2013. Happy New Year!
 Jan 21st, 2013
Caller ID = VVA PICKUP SER. They called me 3 times: 09/24 (at 8:21pm), 09/26 (5:40pm), 09/27/2012 (11:15am). I'll say this for them: they are persistent! But there's no way I'm going to donate anything to people who continue to harass me! I see I've already left some messages on this site. Wish they'd stop calling!
 Sep 29th, 2012
Called, but left no message. If they are so needy, why didn't they? Why bother me time and time again with phone calls that I will never answer? Wish they'd stop wasting their and my time!
 Aug 24th, 2012
didn't leave a message
 Aug 02nd, 2012
I don't know who VVA PICKUP SER is. I don't recognize this phone number. So I didn't answer the call. They rolled into my voicemail, but never left a message. I find that to be a time waster because now I had to:
a) get the information for the DO NOT CALL complaint
b) report them on DO NOT CALL's complaint website
c) report them on Who Called Us
d) erase the message from my phone's Called List
e) erase the message from my voicemail

I received calls from VVA PICKUP SER on: 01/15/2012, 01/18/2012, 01/19/2012, and 01/22/2012. Take my 5 actions x 4 calls = A lot of wasted time.
 Feb 03rd, 2012
Set your own life more easy get the credit loans and everything you need.
 Nov 21st, 2011
Chillax people! The phone center is in MN... they have local affiliates here in DC, which (gasp!) go to MD and VA for pick-ups.
 Jan 02nd, 2011
In their latest call, I again told them I had nothing for them, and that I had already promised all my discards to the Military Order of the Purple Heart -- a local charity. This time I explicitly asked to be removed from their calling list. The man I spoke with on the phone said he'd pass the information on to his supervisor. We'll see if that helps.
 Oct 04th, 2010
And about Charity Fraud in General

THIS IS OUR PUBLIC EDUCATION CAMPAIGN ABOUT POLICE FIRE VETERAN’S AND CHILDREN'S CHARITIES. It can happen anywhere and when it does we would love to hear from you.


As for the group on this page, it would be a good idea to let your fundraiser know we are out here and now you know that we are looking at them too. I would not let them misrepresent because the first time they do and we catch them, it's all over with but the crying.

If you are reading this message then you were just called by a potentially fraudulent fundraiser for a Police Fire Veteran’s or Children’s Charity. Call your local police department immediately. These organization’s count of the fact that 99% of you do not follow through on your complain about them. That attitude is going to let them call your Grandmother next and believe me when I say they WILL take advantage of her. Give everyone you know our website address www.badgefraud.com and there they will learn everything they need to know to protect themselves and their neighbor’s. No one need donate to us for us to have your backs in this matter.

No Non Profit or Charity has to ever hear from us and they will not unless we find them using the fraudulent techniques that so many States have declared with one voice are illegal and deceptive.

It’s quite simple; if the group is operating legally, we can’t touch them. And they should not be upset with us. They will not have to compete with these shady operators in the future and will have more successful fund drives giving them more money. We have done our job’s.

We are currently tracking these people through about 1200 of their actual phone lines on message boards like this one and the only way to shake us is to change phone numbers. We expect that number to rise to around 10,000 in the coming months. Every time they get a new number to work from, as soon as they start calling they generate complaints that show up on boards like 800notes.com among others giving us their new phone number to track. In other words every time a fraud pops up, anywhere in the world, we know about it within a day or two of it beginning and can report it and attack it right away.

Please include as much information about the call as you can.

Specifically we need to know the phone number that called you? (we are building a database of every phone number that these groups use to track their call’s.)

Exactly what they told you?

Did they say they were a police officer or a fireman or a veteran? Active or Retired?

Did they say they were calling “with” or “on behalf” of an organization?

Did they say they were a charity or a non profit labor organization?

Did they try to guilt you in to giving?

Did they imply or infer that they were actual officers making the calls?

Did they use intimidation tactics? (if you felt intimidated then yes they used them)

Did they say the phrase “you not in trouble or anything” implying that you should think you might be?

Did they thank you for your past donation?

Did they imply a local connection?

The techniques these organizations employ are by their very nature, deceptive and illegal.

If they have mailed you ANY marketing material, please scan it and email it to ely@pfcl.org to include the full contents of any communication, letter, sticker, return envelope, etc etc etc. *we are only interested in what they tell you so please whit out your personal information before you email it in) we want it from every group that contacts you not just the one on this board. We are looking for sales techniques that many States have already stated are illegal. Once we find them, that information is sent to the Attorney General in the States where they are operating.

Our investigation techniques differ from the Government. We investigate from the outside in while they go after the numbers from the inside out. The numbers do not matter to us, to be quite blunt about it, if the illegal techniques are there, the numbers are too.
Please remember the people that employ these techniques don’t care if you are rich or poor, young or old, sick or well, Republican or Democrat, they do not care what color we are, what gender we are or whether we are Christian, Muslim, Buddhist or 100 other Religion’s, they ONLY care that our money is green and spends like water.

We need you, THE PEOPLE THAT THEY TRIED TO SCAM, we need you to tell your neighbors, friends, associates, family especially, but also, go to your churches and tell your Pastors and Priests tell the everyone who will listen about us and what we do. That helps us more than anything else. Get the word out that we are out here. Give them our web address and or email, the more people that learn about this the better it is for everyone else in the Country when the groups that use these techniques and tactics to pressure you into giving your hard earned money to them.


Officer Down Foundation,

This is a message from Rev. James revjames@pfcl.org of the Holy Land Spiritual Church Inc. in Maryland and its integrated auxiliary Police Fire Crimeline (The Badge Fraud Tip Reporting Hotline) www.badgefraud.org

I am only going to tell you this one time. Don't you dare come out here on to this or any other board and try to say you are trying to help fallen police officers. You are not trying to help anyone but yourselves. You think I am going to let you talk to these people who are trying to protect themselves from you in that condescending manner. Let me see if I can explain this to your two week on the job backside. Officer Down Foundation's program is to teach Crisis Chaplaincy to Chaplains, it is not to provide benefits to the families of officers killed, they only pitch that because their real program would not get them one single donation, and every time you say they are providing benefits to families of officers killed it is a lie and a misrepresentation and is potentially criminally actionable against you personally as well as your bosses David Fair, Paul Kutac, Phil Leconte and David Deriks. http://ag.ca.gov/cms_attachments/press/pdfs/n1746_american_association_of_police_officers.pdf

I will bet you did not know that those are the same group of guys that run the Police Protective Fund and American Association of Police Officers and the Junior Police Academy. These men are so honest and hard working that even after several states sued the pants off of them they had to go out and start another identical fake charity. Remember "Operation False Charity"? Yeah, wow, they were part of it, and now look at who has come to defend them and their new carbon copy of the Multi State proven fraud the Police Protective Fund and by extension The Crisis Chaplin Project. http://www.wmctv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12576824#

You, a person that I already know has maybe 2 weeks experience on the phone. I am going to offer you some sage advice from one of your elders in what is left of that industry. GET A NEW JOB! This one is about to disappear. http://blogs.tampabay.com/bizarre/2010/05/workplace-brawl-costs-coworker-a-tooth.html (one fundraiser for Officer Down Foundation beat up another fundraiser right in the call center a few weeks ago. Type his name in here and see what you get. https://www2.myfloridacounty.com/ccm/do/docket?county=51&data=57608f8ddc597f1f978bd1ca0550fc96 Here is a link to the Sheriff of Pasco county, call him up and ask him to protect you from this group trying to scam you in the name of fallen officers http://www.pascosheriff.com/webapps/psofbdt.pgm
Check out the House of David Deirks, is your house that big? http://maps.google.com/maps?li=rwp&q=67+Rusty+Ln,+Mammoth+Lakes,+CA+93546
Check out page 5 of the book describing the “Police Protective Fund” it’s the exact same program as that of the Officer Down Foundation. How do you suppose that Officer Down Foundation wound up with the exact same program run by the exact same guy as The Police Protective Fund? They must have bought from the Police Protective Fund since it is a program and an asset of the Police Protective Fund. Whether it is a good program or not it still belongs to the people who donated to the Police Protective Fund which paid to develop and implement it. It is an asset that has mysteriously been transferred to another non profit, The Officer Down Foundation.

Now, you have called into 6 of my 50 states and misrepresented yourselves, Maryland, Virginia, Indiana, Illinois, Tennessee and North Carolina and that is a problem for your organization because that is where my organization is located and our mission is to protect charitable dollars specifically raised in the name of Officers Killed in the Line of Duty. Now let me tell you what my organization does. We search out and report fraudulent Police Fire Veteran's and Children's Charities and their professional fundraisers. We protect the money of the people who protect us.

If anyone reading this wants to help with a donation for us to keep going after these scams, feel free to email me and lets talk. revjames@pfcl.org And unlike David Fair attempting to claim 501 c3 status before it is granted, Churches, like the Holy Land Spiritual Church in the United States are granted automatic 501 c3 status so you know you can deduct your donation from your taxes when the law allows.

We also recruit former professional police fundraisers as volunteers to help us go after groups like yours and you would be welcome to join us as well. And we always want to hear any tips on fraudulent activity in public safety charities so we can report them too. The days of diverting money from non profits and charities that really give their money to the families of officers killed in the line of duty, are OVER!

What a coincidence that would be huh? A church and a Minster going after a Chaplain, I would say God called one of us and the other has a big problem not just on earth, but after life too.

Do you know how much easier our job would be if your Officer Down Foundation did not exist?

I am not the kind of minister you are probably familiar with that gets up on Sunday morning to preach about Fire and Brimstone. I am the kind of minister that BRINGS Fire and Brimstone to your doorstep.

See the problem for your organization is that because of your fraudulent activity, you are making us expend our donor’s money to investigate you because you see, that is what OUR donors (Holy Land Spiritual Church) gave their money too and they knew full well that they were giving their money for us to go after groups like yours.

That would be the exact opposite of your group where the donor’s think they are giving to the families of officers killed in the line of duty but what you dont tell them is that the money they donate is really going to David Fair's personal mission of this "Crisis Chaplain" concept.

Well if you did not know we existed before I am not surprised, they never tell you phone jockey's anything, but you are about to know we exist now.

It is our duty and responsibility to protect our donor’s money and the only way for us to do that in the case of the Officer Down Foundation is for them to shut down voluntarily or we must sue the pants off of your group until you are ended. Oh and that is not all you have to look forward too, in North Carolina where you are calling, what you are doing is considered to be a class H felony.



Rev. James
Holy Land Spiritual Church
Police Fire Crimeline
Badge Fraud Detective Investigations Inc.
5409 Deale Churchton Road #202
Churchton, MD 20733
www.badgefraud.org or www.pfcl.org
Tip Line 877-FRAUD97 (tips only)
http://policefirecrimeline.crimestoppersweb.com/ (submit online tips)
202-470-3209 (Church Office)
Rev James
 Jun 22nd, 2010
If this really is the VVA, calling from some phone bank in Minnesota for a store in St. Louis, what the heck are they doing asking someone who lives in Maryland for donations? Do they really plan to drive a truck out here from St. Louis or St. Paul to pick up a couple of old shirts? Give me a break!

My discarded clothing goes to LOCAL charities, like Goodwill or the Salvation Army, which have facilities right here in town.
 Mar 01st, 2010
No message left. Not unusual to get calls from various organizations collecting household items for veterans, but surprising to hear from Minnesota since I'm in Maryland.
 Feb 01st, 2010
I don't have a clue. No one answered.
 Sep 15th, 2009
caller hangs up when phone is answered -- 2 days in a row
JK St. Louis
 Sep 09th, 2009
They call every day at a different time between 9am and 9pm. I hear only background voices on the other end. No one replies to "Hello". If this is the VVA, they are leaving me with a very bad perception of their organization.
 Sep 04th, 2009
Apogee Retail is the LLC name for the thrift store I shop at alot. The store name is Unique Thrift Store in St. Louis, Mo, but they are listed as Apogee Retail in the phone book? Now WHY? they are calling me is beyond me?? I didn't catch the call in time, or maybe I did and the line was just dead. I tried to call it back but it wouldn't even ring????
 May 18th, 2009
I answered and heard a bunch of voices in the background. I waited long enough for someone to actually start talking to me before I hung up.
 Jan 23rd, 2009
I answered, and they hung up.
 Jan 16th, 2009
This appears to be Vietnam Veterans Association pickup-office.

 Dec 06th, 2008