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Gene, you don't need a valid debt or a derogatory trade line on your credit reports to be hassled by debt collectors. They call third parties to alleged debtors all the time for permitted skip tracing purposes, or often pretending it's a trace to annoy and shame an intended target whose location is already known. It is not considered a ''bullshit scam'' when collectors are looking for money lawfully.

To a ''not me'' case I always recommend putting the agency on notice, just as you would if you were the target and the debt claim was invalid. Send a ''cease-communication'' notice via USPS Certified with return card. This is the method promoted by the FTC and many consumer watchdogs, and the only way to set a legal landmine, as such a notice is ignored at their risk of a lawsuit from you. You may already be due some payback if you can prove you've endured abusive or misleading treatment in an effort to collect debt.

As I advised here 18 months ago, you can learn how to exercise your FDCPA rights as an alleged debtor at FTC-dot-gov. See also if your state laws are stronger.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/statutes/fdcpajump.shtm
Resident47
 Jul 02nd, 2012
This outfit calls every so often for days at a time, sometimes several times a day, then stops for a while, then here it goes again. Never leaves a message, never anybody there if you answer. It is supposedly some collection operation but since I don't have any overdue bills there is no reason to call me. It is some kind of bullshit scam.
gene
 Jun 29th, 2012
651-204-1341
651-204-1344
651-204-1345
651-204-1347
651-204-1349

They are all the same company...IC Systems (paypal collections) Evil and calls my phone even though I don't have ebay or paypal account.
Rob
 Feb 16th, 2011
call on the cell phone didn't answer. I put a Text message and said good night!!!!!!!
rachel
 Feb 03rd, 2011
AZ Wolfman, the ICS rep was observing privacy rules in that little skip tracing dance. This is about the only rule ICS, and most of the whole collections industry, appears consistent on, having no shame in illegal threats, calling at wrong hours, and hostile behavior.

If you are receiving repeated, misdirected, and/or abusive calls from a third party debt collector, you may find relief in the provisions of the FDCPA, the Federal law which regulates collector behavior and provides you simple tools for your own defense. It grants you control of how you are contacted, and collectors can be sued for their crimes. Learn your rights and first response tactics at FTC-dot-gov. See also your state laws for additional support.
Resident47
 Jan 05th, 2011
Upon researching through Google, I found the I C Systems website. ICS is apparently not a part of PayPal. It is a debt collection service. From the comments on this page, PayPal apparently uses their service to attempt to collect money owed to them.
ArizonaWolfman
 Jan 04th, 2011
They are always calling and leaving no message. I finally called the number, but they refused to tell me who I C Systems was or why they were calling me - unless I gave her my number. She would not tell me why she was calling unless I gave my number. I said I was on the "DNC" list, and she started playing word games with me. She kept telling she could not do anything unless I gave her my number. Since she obviously already had my number, I gave it to her, and she said she was calling for Dave Berkely. I had never heard of that person, and she said she would take it out of the system, and I should get no more calls from them after today. We'll see.
ArizonaWolfman
 Jan 04th, 2011
yeah I get it I owe you money Paypal. I told you i'd pay when i can. Get a life. It's $20.00. Quit waking up my kid!
paypal hater
 Nov 23rd, 2010
No message
Gennie
 Jun 06th, 2010
Asked them to quit calling and they keep calling at all hours day and night. I have a 2 year old..
teresa
 Jun 02nd, 2010
SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM SPAM
Dylan
 Jun 01st, 2010
Jennifer called and told me to pay a check over the phone. I said no... I can't do that because I didn't have enough money to cover the balance. SHE TOLD ME I COULD POST DATE THE CHECK AND FIND THE MONEY! What?! She was so rude. "Listen to me, let me finish, pay me now" I actually let her finish what she wanted to say and again asked for a check via phone. Again I said "no" the psycho said "you just told me you would do it". Um, yeah... I'm pretty sure I was clear on the no. We've made arrangements with the balance owed, but I still get calls all day. NO MESSAGE, PUT ME ON HOLD. Great info everyone! I feel better knowing I'm not alone in this fight.
Bite Me IC
 May 26th, 2010
This is IC Systems, a collection agency for bank cards that have been written off. Told them they reap what the sow. In 2007 I paid off 3.5 million in small business loans, had an 830 FICO score, and had ran my own business that employed 30 people for over 16 years. Then the banks decided not to make small business loans any longer because they had taken bad risks on buying up junk mortgages. After losing several big contracts because I couldn't finance raw materials, I was forced to close my business and lay off all my employees. Now I can’t pay them back… their loss. They made their bed. They can get a judgement against me, but can’t attach what isn’t there. By law they can’t take my medicaid and foodstamps, so screw them. I also advised my employees not to bankrupt themselves trying to pay these crooks, they got our tax $$$ with the TARP (JP Morgan/Chase) bailout.

They will call from multiple numbers in different area codes trying to get you to answer their calls. IC Systems calls from over 120 different numbers including: 651-204-1341 800-779-1783 651-204-1316 605-204-1304 651-204-1329 651-481-6302 888-229-8848 651-204-1310 651-204-1349 651-204-1315 651-204-1348 888-735-0697 651-204-1345 651-204-1317 877-572-0159 651-204-1313 651-204-1304 866-858-2784 651-204-1320 651-204-1337 888-735-8029 651-204-1355 800-279-9525 888-312-3593 615-204-1320 651-204-1332 888-858-2784 800-988-4145 651-483-1867 410-968-7953 651-204-2554 651-204-1351 651-204-1314 604-204-1341 651-204-1366 651-204-1361 651-204-1374 651-204-1352 410-968-7955 877-221-3940 651-204-1377 866-903-1001 800-542-9121 888-241-8960 800-844-8001 866-350-8210 651-204-1387 800-561-5695 651-804-1374 651-204-1347 522-417-4563 866-483-8593 877221 651-204-1395 888-710-7271 651-204-9006 682-351-4950 661-533-5750 651-204-1392 651-204-1301 651-204-1093 800-561-4573 605-209-5531 866-389-2466 800-279-8189 813-464-2479 214-233-7251 651-204-1344 651-204-1365 651-204-1399 501-227-4734 866-873-1819 888-474-8332 500-000-0000 510-924-1676 651-204-1463 703-291-9016 202-367-9083 651-204-1299 651-204-1357 202-367-9845 202-367-9027 603-589-7206 202-367-9769 800-988-4154 651-204-1333 651-204-1306 202-367-9234 480-487-8109 800-711-0449 888-229-8896 804-234-9011 202-367-9813 202-367-9236 866-913-5380 712-941-5127 804-234-9008 651-204-1305 651-204-1312 208-991-1267 202-367-9278 651-204-1302 651-204-1321 651-204-1371 208-991-1279 208-991-1246 703-656-9977 651-204-1461 800-737-3122 202-870-5977 888-735-0516 651-204-1379 703-656-9842 651-204-1262 208-991-1256 512-293-3673 208-515-7492
bkrpt
 Apr 06th, 2010
This is IC Systems, a collection agency for bank cards that have been written off. Told them they reap what the sow. In 2007 I paid off 3.5 million in small business loans, had an 830 FICO score, and had ran my own business that employed 30 people for over 16 years. Then the banks decided not to make small business loans any longer because they had taken bad risks on buying up junk mortgages. After losing several big contracts because I couldn't purchase enough raw materials, I was forced to close my business and lay off all my employees. Now I can’t pay them back… their loss. They made their bed. They can get a judgement against me, but can’t attach what isn’t there. By law they can’t take my medicaid and foodstamps, so screw them. I also advised my employees not to bankrupt themselves trying to pay these crooks, they got our tax $$$ with the TARP (JP Morgan/Chase) bailout.

They will call from multiple numbers in different area codes trying to get you to answer their calls. IC Systems calls from over 120 different numbers including: 651-204-1341 800-779-1783 651-204-1316 605-204-1304 651-204-1329 651-481-6302 888-229-8848 651-204-1310 651-204-1349 651-204-1315 651-204-1348 888-735-0697 651-204-1345 651-204-1317 877-572-0159 651-204-1313 651-204-1304 866-858-2784 651-204-1320 651-204-1337 888-735-8029 651-204-1355 800-279-9525 888-312-3593 615-204-1320 651-204-1332 888-858-2784 800-988-4145 651-483-1867 410-968-7953 651-204-2554 651-204-1351 651-204-1314 604-204-1341 651-204-1366 651-204-1361 651-204-1374 651-204-1352 410-968-7955 877-221-3940 651-204-1377 866-903-1001 800-542-9121 888-241-8960 800-844-8001 866-350-8210 651-204-1387 800-561-5695 651-804-1374 651-204-1347 522-417-4563 866-483-8593 877221 651-204-1395 888-710-7271 651-204-9006 682-351-4950 661-533-5750 651-204-1392 651-204-1301 651-204-1093 800-561-4573 605-209-5531 866-389-2466 800-279-8189 813-464-2479 214-233-7251 651-204-1344 651-204-1365 651-204-1399 501-227-4734 866-873-1819 888-474-8332 500-000-0000 510-924-1676 651-204-1463 703-291-9016 202-367-9083 651-204-1299 651-204-1357 202-367-9845 202-367-9027 603-589-7206 202-367-9769 800-988-4154 651-204-1333 651-204-1306 202-367-9234 480-487-8109 800-711-0449 888-229-8896 804-234-9011 202-367-9813 202-367-9236 866-913-5380 712-941-5127 804-234-9008 651-204-1305 651-204-1312 208-991-1267 202-367-9278 651-204-1302 651-204-1321 651-204-1371 208-991-1279 208-991-1246 703-656-9977 651-204-1461 800-737-3122 202-870-5977 888-735-0516 651-204-1379 703-656-9842 651-204-1262 208-991-1256 512-293-3673 202-367-9142 208-991-1268 800-561-4573
bkrpt
 Mar 24th, 2010
This is IC Systems, a collection agency for bank cards that have been written off. Told them they reap what the sow. In 2007 I paid off 3.5 million in small business loans, had an 830 FICO score, and had ran my own business that employed 30 people for over 16 years. Then the banks decided not to make small business loans any longer because they had taken bad risks on buying up junk mortgages. After losing several big contracts because I couldn't purchase enough raw materials, I was forced to close my business and lay off all my employees. Now I can’t pay them back… their loss. They made their bed. They can get a judgement against me, but can’t attach what isn’t there. By law they can’t take my medicaid and foodstamps, so screw them. I also advised my employees not to bankrupt themselves trying to pay these crooks, they got our tax $$$ with the TARP (JP Morgan/Chase) bailout.

They will call from multiple numbers in different area codes trying to get you to answer their calls. IC Systems calls from over 120 different numbers including: 651-204-1341 800-779-1783 651-204-1316 605-204-1304 651-204-1329 651-481-6302 888-229-8848 651-204-1310 651-204-1349 651-204-1315 651-204-1348 888-735-0697 651-204-1345 651-204-1317 877-572-0159 651-204-1313 651-204-1304 866-858-2784 651-204-1320 651-204-1337 888-735-8029 651-204-1355 800-279-9525 888-312-3593 615-204-1320 651-204-1332 888-858-2784 800-988-4145 651-483-1867 410-968-7953 651-204-2554 651-204-1351 651-204-1314 604-204-1341 651-204-1366 651-204-1361 651-204-1374 651-204-1352 410-968-7955 877-221-3940 651-204-1377 866-903-1001 800-542-9121 888-241-8960 800-844-8001 866-350-8210 651-204-1387 800-561-5695 651-804-1374 651-204-1347 522-417-4563 866-483-8593 877221 651-204-1395 888-710-7271 651-204-9006 682-351-4950 661-533-5750 651-204-1392 651-204-1301 651-204-1093 800-561-4573 605-209-5531 866-389-2466 800-279-8189 813-464-2479 214-233-7251 651-204-1344 651-204-1365 651-204-1399 501-227-4734 866-873-1819 888-474-8332 500-000-0000 510-924-1676 651-204-1463 703-291-9016 202-367-9083 651-204-1299 651-204-1357 202-367-9845 202-367-9027 603-589-7206 202-367-9769 800-988-4154 651-204-1333 651-204-1306 202-367-9234 480-487-8109 800-711-0449 888-229-8896 804-234-9011 202-367-9813 202-367-9236 866-913-5380 712-941-5127 804-234-9008 651-204-1305 651-204-1312 208-991-1267 202-367-9278 651-204-1302 651-204-1321 651-204-1371 208-991-1279 208-991-1246 703-656-9977 651-204-1461 800-737-3122 202-870-5977 888-735-0516 651-204-1379 703-656-9842 651-204-1262 208-991-1256 512-293-3673 202-367-9142
bkrpt
 Mar 17th, 2010
This is IC Systems, a collection agency for bank cards that have been written off. Told them they reap what the sow. In 2007 I paid off 3.5 million in small business loans, had an 830 FICO score, and had ran my own business that employed 30 people for over 16 years. Then the banks decided not to make small business loans any longer because they had taken bad risks on buying up junk mortgages. After losing several big contracts because I couldn't finance raw materials, I was forced to close my business and lay off all my employees. Now I can’t pay them back… their loss. They made their bed. They can get a judgement against me, but can’t attach what isn’t there. By law they can’t take my medicaid and foodstamps, so screw them. I also advised my employees not to bankrupt themselves trying to pay these crooks, they got our tax $$$ with the TARP (JP Morgan/Chase) bailout.

They will call from multiple numbers in different area codes trying to get you to answer their calls. IC Systems calls from over 120 different numbers including: 651-204-1341 800-779-1783 651-204-1316 605-204-1304 651-204-1329 651-481-6302 888-229-8848 651-204-1310 651-204-1349 651-204-1315 651-204-1348 888-735-0697 651-204-1345 651-204-1317 877-572-0159 651-204-1313 651-204-1304 866-858-2784 651-204-1320 651-204-1337 888-735-8029 651-204-1355 800-279-9525 888-312-3593 615-204-1320 651-204-1332 888-858-2784 800-988-4145 651-483-1867 410-968-7953 651-204-2554 651-204-1351 651-204-1314 604-204-1341 651-204-1366 651-204-1361 651-204-1374 651-204-1352 410-968-7955 877-221-3940 651-204-1377 866-903-1001 800-542-9121 888-241-8960 800-844-8001 866-350-8210 651-204-1387 800-561-5695 651-804-1374 651-204-1347 522-417-4563 866-483-8593 877221 651-204-1395 888-710-7271 651-204-9006 682-351-4950 661-533-5750 651-204-1392 651-204-1301 651-204-1093 800-561-4573 605-209-5531 866-389-2466 800-279-8189 813-464-2479 214-233-7251 651-204-1344 651-204-1365 651-204-1399 501-227-4734 866-873-1819 888-474-8332 500-000-0000 510-924-1676 651-204-1463 703-291-9016 202-367-9083 651-204-1299 651-204-1357 202-367-9845 202-367-9027 603-589-7206 202-367-9769 800-988-4154 651-204-1333 651-204-1306 202-367-9234 480-487-8109 800-711-0449 888-229-8896 804-234-9011 202-367-9813 202-367-9236 866-913-5380 712-941-5127 804-234-9008 651-204-1305 651-204-1312 208-991-1267 202-367-9278 651-204-1302 651-204-1321 651-204-1371 208-991-1279 208-991-1246 703-656-9977 651-204-1461 800-737-3122 202-870-5977 888-735-0516 651-204-1379 703-656-9842 651-204-1262 208-991-1256 512-293-3673
bkrpt
 Mar 15th, 2010
They called me at 5am woke me up and asked me how i would like to pay them. I told them i dont know who you are so until you can validate anything dont call me. so the very next day they called me again at 5am and woke me up and asked how i would like to pay. there are 2 people I spoke to their names are Frank, the pushy salesguy that wont let you finish a sentance and refused to give me his last name and a manager. So I called back to get his mananger who is Sherry. Total bitch who is completely incompetent at life. Sherry is the kind of women who will start off the conversation trying to be nice until you tell her that you wont pay them anything until they validate the debt owed. then she became this aggressive bitch who wouldnt let me say anything then she decided to end the call herself by saying i wouldnt cooperate with her.

I C systems practices illegal proceedures and should be sued and then shut down immediatly.
J
 Feb 19th, 2010
they call me everyday many times,wont stop calling
they sais they will call everyday as much as they want
nan
 Dec 30th, 2009
(651) 204-1341--this one's for john bohn, commenting on your post there john, this one "craig morgan also said hes going to end my life!!! Can they do this? Can the FTC file charges" OF COURSE THEY CAN SAY THEY ARE GOING TO END YOUR LIFE.." Just watch for them stalking you..

But seriously, You are actually foolish enough to put that in a report to the FTC? do you really think they are going to believe that crap? If you want real action, you have to present your information as a professional, not a mentally retarded 8 year old- the FTC gets thousands of complaints a day,. so just because you were able to electronically file one and call it a success- that does not mean anything was done or will be. So, tell me, have they been contacting you lately? I'm sure they will start again, now that they have tracked you down. enjoy!
BWSGIUFVYW
 Nov 11th, 2009
start sending them a hundred emails a day once we get a few hundered people doing it constant they will be screwed themselves.
do it rite from there website!!!!! i do it everyday at least 100 a day just to screw back with them...
constantly telling them to f u c k them and ebay as well as paypal....
info:
I.C. System
444 Hwy. 96 East
St. Paul, MN 55127
Phone: 651-481-6409
Fax: 651-481-6556
Toll Free: 800-279-3511
www.icsystem.com
juwan
 Nov 09th, 2009
IT IS FROM A CRIMINAL COMPANY CALLED PAYPAL, IT IS OWNED BY EBAY AND THEY HAVE A HISTORY OF STEALING MONEY.

ATTENTION PAYPAL AND EBAY USERS


PAYPAL, AN EBAY COMPANY, ARE NOW STARTING TO HOLD FUNDS OF THEIR SELLERS
WITHOUT CAUSE AND WITHOUT WARNING.

THEY WERE FINED BY NEW YORK STATE AND LOST MILLIONS IN A LAWSUIT FOR THIS

YET THEY JUST STARTED DOING IT AGAIN.

BECAUSE OF THE ECONOMY THEY MAY BE IN TROUBLE AND THERE IS NO PROTECTION AS THEY ARE NOT A BANK.


PAYPAL ACCOUNT HOLDERS:

DO NOT SEND OUT ANY MERCHANDISE UNTIL YOU CAN VERIFY THE PAYMENT IS IN YOUR BANK!

DO NOT TRUST PAYPAL, DON'T BE A VICTIM!

DO NOT USE PAYPAL AS A PAYMENT METHOD!

DO NOT GIVE THEM ANY BANKNING INFORMATION!


KEEP UPDATED ON PAYPAL BY GOING TO:



Paypalwarning.com

PaypalSucks.com

Screw-Paypal.com

EbaySucks.com

Aboutpaypal.org

Paypalpetition.com

EbayPigs.com

NoPaypal.com




***PLEASE SEND THIS TO SOMEONE YOU KNOW WHO USES EBAY AND/OR PAYPAL
SO THEY CAN PROTECT THEMSELVES.

THANK YOU!Caller ID: 402-935-7733
Caller: EBAY AND PAYPALCaller ID: 651-204-1341
Caller: PAYPAL AND EBAY
Caller Type: Collection Agency
Ebay WARNING
 Nov 02nd, 2009
They called me I asked who is trying to contact me the woman said her representative has an important personal messsage for me she knew my first and last name this is the first time I have ever seen this number I hung up because when I Answered the call was being transferred they tried to keep me on hold when I was asking the woman a bunch of questions she just told me to call them back when I had time nd hung up now why would I call them back? these people whoever they are should be in jail because I found out that every minute they make you wait charges 40$ per minute on your cell phone bill are federal investigators should find out who this number is and where they Are located if our government can find missing dead bodies why is it so hard to bust these guys and find what they are up to
Nina
 Oct 23rd, 2009
Ya... its definitely ebay.. and I can count on these #$@#%^$% to call me morning, noon & nite... for a big $ 30 that I owe!!! Unreal.. and ebay ended up burning ME for $650 (fraudulent clients)
Jennifer E.
 Sep 11th, 2009
I keep getting calls from this 6512041341 as well. just this morning twice! they leave an electronic voice message, but if I am able to pick up without saying 'hello', there is a big silence, once I say something...a machine kicks on asking that I hold, but I hang up. Now, I just answer and hang up because I don't want the messages left. Part of a person's right, is that you write them a letter of notice to stop all further attempts to call your number - the address provided earlier, is the one one ought to use to send them that notice and let them know you will pursue legal action against them if they violate your request of no contact notice. I'd have it notarized, delivery confirmation receipted, faxed as well - just to document they did receive you notice.

I.C. System
444 Hwy. 96 East
St. Paul, MN 55127
Phone: 651-481-6409
Fax: 651-481-6556
Toll Free: 800-279-3511
www.icsystem.com
lruin
 Aug 15th, 2009
Same thing here- calling day and night-
I tried adding them to call block but for some reason it wont work- other number work but their number is not able to be blocked- Any help here?
Bill
 Aug 07th, 2009
great move carman. now if we could all burn ebay on $2100+ in fees....how long would ebay stay in business?
ebaysucks
 Jun 21st, 2009
ebay suspended my id cartruckdonation with almost 800 positive feedbacks (go to ebay.com and search my old seller i.d. cartruckdonation), due to a fraud claim presented by a buyer named Tabitha Kiss, over a $1200 1995 ford explorer sold for parts. since ebay suspended my id, i refused to pay the $2100.00 i owed ebay in fees. now ic systems is calling me. really what can they do? they dont have my correct contact info other than a cell phone number which i'm about to change. maybe i should forward Tabitha's home phone number 804-915-6650)to ic or start posting her home address?
yeah thats the ticket, i'll give ic Tabitha's personal info next time they call me. Good luck to all with ic issues and Ebay,,,I'M BACK!
carman
 Jun 20th, 2009
i'd really like to see a class action claim filed. they are now texting from this number. i received one on easter and it was very offensive. then later in the day i received one about friendship. they should not be allowed to continue with these antics. they are supposed to ask for a certain person and state their business - this is harassment in it's ugliest form. let's all pull together and show them!!
silent
 Apr 14th, 2009
Here's their full address for IC System which believe me was hard to find!

I.C. System
444 Hwy. 96 East
St. Paul, MN 55127
Phone: 651-481-6409
Fax: 651-481-6556
Toll Free: 800-279-3511
http://www.icsystem.com
elspeth
 Apr 10th, 2009
651-204-1341
IC Systems, collector for Ebay.
I have gotten several "prank" calls from these people lately. We owed Ebay 118.00 for a car sale and we paid them directly after getting a bill from IC Systems. They were very rude and I told them to leave us the hell alone. Now they keep calling every day and hanging up for no reason. Prob because they didn't get their cut of the money. This is BS and Everyone should make their complaints to the BBB in that area code!
Paulson Law
 Apr 03rd, 2009
SPAM message asked for text at 1-888-229-8848
Pete
 Mar 27th, 2009
I wished this person/company would leave a message or stop calling me
DY
 Mar 25th, 2009
When I answered none was on the other end.
Ken Thomas
 Feb 27th, 2009
Here is how we can fight back and annoy them by calling them all day, use Icall with macros for a free auto dialer over the pc


Mr. Kenneth Rapp - President/CEO krapp@icsystem.com
Ms. Barbara Erickson - Chairman berickson@icsystem.com
Mr. John Erickson, Jr. - Owner jerickson@icsystem.com
Ms. Sue Johnson - Corporate Paralegal sjohnson@icsystem.com
Mr. Kurt Heinbigner - CFO kheinbigner@icsystem.com
Mr. David Spencer - Director of Operations dspencer@icsystem.com

anyone surprised that the CEO's name is krapp?

Kerry Henderson khenderson@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6327

Charles Halfen chalfen@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6309

Don Turner dturner@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6371

Also goes by
Adams Cooper & Marks
444 East Highway 96
Vadnais Heights, MN 55127

1-520-577-0173
1-608-784-0713
1-641-424-0130
1-651-204-1314
1-651-204-1317
1-651-204-1329
1-651-204-1341
1-651-204-1349
1-651-204-1361
1-651-204-1374
1-651-204-1395
1-651-481-6302
1-651-483-8201
1-800-279-6711
1-800-279-7951
1-800-279-9525
1-800-443-4123
1-800-685-0595
1-800-932-3328
1-866-467-7545
1-866-672-1449
1-866-903-1001
1-888-735-8029
lisa
 Jan 26th, 2009
This company is a debt collector. They have many many complaints. Please file a complaint with the attorny generals office in your state together we can shut this company down.

Here is some info I have located about this company!

Mr. Kenneth Rapp - President/CEO krapp@icsystem.com
Ms. Barbara Erickson - Chairman berickson@icsystem.com
Mr. John Erickson, Jr. - Owner jerickson@icsystem.com
Ms. Sue Johnson - Corporate Paralegal sjohnson@icsystem.com
Mr. Kurt Heinbigner - CFO kheinbigner@icsystem.com
Mr. David Spencer - Director of Operations dspencer@icsystem.com

anyone surprised that the CEO's name is krapp?

Kerry Henderson khenderson@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6327

Charles Halfen chalfen@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6309

Don Turner dturner@icsystem.com
1-651-481-6371

Also goes by
Adams Cooper & Marks
444 East Highway 96
Vadnais Heights, MN 55127

1-520-577-0173
1-608-784-0713
1-641-424-0130
1-651-204-1314
1-651-204-1317
1-651-204-1329
1-651-204-1341
1-651-204-1349
1-651-204-1361
1-651-204-1374
1-651-204-1395
1-651-481-6302
1-651-483-8201
1-800-279-6711
1-800-279-7951
1-800-279-9525
1-800-443-4123
1-800-685-0595
1-800-932-3328
1-866-467-7545
1-866-672-1449
1-866-903-1001
1-888-735-8029

I would also sugest we all overload there switchboard by calling them every single day like they do! Call them repeatedly when ever possible, they hate it!
lisa
 Jan 26th, 2009
collector calling for a wrong person at this phone number. They keep asking for caroline flemming, who is caroline flemming?????
M Trom
 Jan 25th, 2009
IC Systems suck. I always answer the phone and I get hung up on. They call me about some ebay fee that I don't owe. These people need a lesson in something....
Tiffany
 Jan 19th, 2009
Whoever it is they never say anything, just hang up after I answer the phone. I get these calls all the time from this number and it's always the same. Kinda sick of it.
Gene Hale
 Nov 26th, 2008
Called. Left no message.
Dubbs
 Nov 23rd, 2008
So much for Do Not Call lists! I'm sick of these XXXXXXX. (I cleaned it up for the nice people in this discussion.)I've never dealt with e-Bay. If they use this outfit, I probably never will. My credit score is 804. I pay all bills on time.
Thomas
 Oct 30th, 2008
I've have numerous calls from this phone since I got my cellphone (approx. one month, Alltel). Sometimes I'm asked for a password. Most times I get nothing when I call back. I generally treat it the way I would any junk call: I delete it. Curiously, when I signed up for the "Do Not Call" list the day it was opened, I thought this sort call would cease.
thomas
 Oct 29th, 2008
they keep calling me, but i'm a night nurse and am always asleep when they call. they leave no message. i don't owe ebay anything so since they leave no message i have no idea why they are calling.
michelle
 Oct 21st, 2008
Called my number 8 times today, and even several times on Sunday. They never leave a message. I don't answer calls from this area code 651 because I don't know anyone from there, but the number kept repeatedly calling me so that's why I'm commenting on it
CeeCee
 Oct 20th, 2008
I've had 7 calls in 4 hours. Reading everyone's comments it sounds like they're a scamming company, not a collection agency. I would suggest the next time you talk to them threaten to call the police and see what they do, if they keep calling DO call the police!
Laura
 Oct 17th, 2008
This number has called me twice. I have not answered, and they have not left any voicemail.
Leslie
 Oct 15th, 2008
I've sent them a check via mail in return to the very first letter I've received from ICS. It has cleared a week ago. Today I've got the first phone call from a robot O_o
Mikhail
 Oct 07th, 2008
8:30 am i get a call from this number 5 to 6 times a day. I called them back and told them that the person they are call no longer has this number. She replied "it will take 24hrs to for the system to stop calling. We shall see if its true. Its rediculous. i thought bill collectors arent supposed to call before 9am and after 9pm. Is there a site to report them for harrassment?
YR
 Oct 01st, 2008
Call your cell phone company. Verizon wireless for instance is *611, then 0. It's worth the 2-5 minutes on hold. They can and will block the number. Make sure you are also registered on donotcall.gov
kevin
 Sep 02nd, 2008
they call every day, several times a day
danielle
 Aug 28th, 2008
check your phone bills to make sure they are not reversing charges or you are not being billed for phone calls. these pukes are greedy lowlifes without a purpose only to harass without cause. ebay tells them one thing, they believe it only because it could mean a welfare buck or two. TOO THE IC SYSTEMS COMPANY AND IT'S PLAYMATES CRAWL BACK INTO THE TRASHCANS YOU CAME FROM, OTHERWISE KNOWN AS WOMBS AND BEWARE THE STENCH LINGERS!! YOU AND EBAY ARE THIEVES AND A FRAUD AND ARE THREATENING THE VERY LIVES OF MY FAMILY AND MANY OTHERS!! YOU KNOW OUR NUMBERS AND ADDRESSES BUT MOST IMPORTANTLY WE KNOW YOURS!! IT IS OUR CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT TO DEFEND FROM MENTAL, PHYSICAL, EMOTIONAL DISTRESS, HARASSMENT AND THREATS IN ANY MANNER. IT IS ALSO APPARENT THAT THE US GOV AND LAW ENFORCEMENT DON'T GIVE A DAMN!! YOU CAN PLAY WITH FIRE ONLY SO LONG BEFORE YOU GET BURNED!! AS YOU VIOLATE THE MANY LAWS MANY TIMES OVER FAIR WARNING STOP THE HARASSMENT AND THREATS!! ATTORNEYS WITH BIG BALLS PROVE YOURSELF AND LETS GO TO BAT!!!!
hapyft
 Aug 25th, 2008
I get phohe calls from this company every day. Sometimes they call as many as 12 times as day. They are nasty and rude. I have asked their address so that I may aend a cease and desist letter, but they lie and wil not give the correct address. they are calling because of a bad debt from Washington Mutual Credit Card who I refuse to pay 35% interest.


Patricia
Patricia Walker
 Aug 24th, 2008
After reading all of the posts/complaints for IC systems I came to one conclusion, there has to be a lot more complaints against these pukes. As for IC systems well this makes sense that a Fraud like Ebay would connect with a fraud like IC systems. When they call pick up the phone and just punch a # and keep it pressed for at least a few minutes so that they pay for their phone usage. Also, if you get mail from them and an envelope postage paid by IC systems return the envelope empty so they pay for getting nothing in an envelope. Actually you can do that for any kind of unsolicited snail mail especially banks like Bank of America another fraud.IC Systems call too much for my comfort.Yeah they are pissing me off and the funny thing is they are nothing more than pieces of human inconvenience acting in SO MANY ILLEGAL WAYS that the US GOV ignores them. Yeah FTC gets the complaints but if they do WHY ARE THEY STILL HARASSING THREATENING LYING AND STEALING? THEY ARE VIOLATING OUR CIVIL AND CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS DAILY. America! The land of OPPORTUNITY!FOR WHO NOT YOU AND I! Consumers are the targets! IC SYSTEMS DOES NOT GIVE ANY INFORMATION EXCEPT TO SAY WE ARE COLLECTING A DEBT FOR EBAY. I LIKE MANY OTHERS HAVE HAD ENOUGH and REST ASSURED IT IS THE LAW AND OUR RIGHTS to defend our families do exist.HARASSMENT ITSELF IS A VIOLATION OF THE LAW IN MANY MORE WAYS THAN JUST ONE! THERE IS A WORD AND IT IS "BADGERING" and IN DEFENSE OF MY FAMILY AND OUR IDENTITY AND SANITY PATIENCE ONLY GOES SO FAR!
hapyft
 Aug 23rd, 2008
IC System is a COLLECTION AGENCY..Address for your Cease and Desist letters is as follow..
IC SYSTEM
444 HIGHWAY 96 EAST
PO BOX 64378
St. Paul, Mn. 55164

Be sure to send in Cease and desist letters (CERTIFIED and reg mail) and law states they must stop contacting you. Good Luck..
steve B
 Jul 30th, 2008
Some stupid woman who said her name was Horlata called and said I owed her money. Of course, I don't owe her money. I have read all this stuff on here. Shame on them! I wish she would tell me she would call the police on me!

She said I have an ebay balance. I have never been to ebay's web site. I just never have. I always thought there was a lot of fraud on it from what I read. So, I have just stayed away from it. Turns out my feeling about ebay and fraud and this company are apparently correct. Fraud. Shame on ebay and Icy Systems.
John
 Jul 23rd, 2008
Keep calling my new number. Some woman named Jodida or something like insists I am someone I am not and dont know. She also said that she would call the police on me if I didn't let her deduct some $900 from my checking account. I called the Attorney General on her.
Tommie
 Jul 16th, 2008
This caller is IC Systems or ICS. They are a collection agency affiliated with EBay. They go after people who have not paid their ebay fees
Shawn
 Jun 12th, 2008
this person/company calls me 3 times a day every day even on sunday. i would pick it up and bitch them out but everytime they call i am usually busy & dont notice it. I tried calling back and it rang and rang and then some answering service picked up and said i would be helped as soon as possible so then i hung up.
k
 May 06th, 2008
Sounds like it may be Ebay. I listed some concert tickets on Ebay and they never reached the reserve price so I used them for myself. Nevertheless, Ebay proceeded to charge me TWO TIMES for selling the tickets. I did not sell them once and could not sell them twice so I refuse to pay Ebay. Like anyone else knows, they do not have live people to speak with so you can never resolve the issue. Good luck getting that $25.00 fee for something that never sold!
tim
 Apr 14th, 2008
i asked if he had a small dinger and he said no answer
John
 Apr 11th, 2008
THIS NUMBER KEEPS CALLING BACK TO BACK, TO BACK
RAY
 Mar 06th, 2008
Ebay should rename themselve to FRAUDBAY. Ebay gave me a $50 credit because of fradulant buyers and I used $40 of it to relist (and lost money on item). Then they turn around and say I owe them $189!!!. Screw Ebay you can't even get in touch with a person. And they wonder why the stock price is plumetting. I used to use ebay a lot and had 100% rating but now it is nothing but a bunch of low life frauds running the company and the buyers. Fraudbay sucks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
ex-ebay seller
 Mar 04th, 2008
When they called me I let it go to voice mail and they didn't leave a message
Marlene
 Feb 12th, 2008
I just got my cell phone, who is this, leave no messages, I feel the same thing, it
MAS
 Feb 05th, 2008
This company used to call me on my old # numerous times a day at all hours. I filed a complaint with the BBB and got it in writing that they were no longer to call me. I even changed #s and somehow they now have my new # and are calling on it. When I picked up and told the guy I had it in writing that they were not to call me anymore he called me a liar! He also stated they will continue to call me no matter what. This company has violated so many laws it is unbelievable. I am very interested in getting together a class action lawsuit. If anyone else wants to get in on it or if theres already one going please email me at csi_1999@hotmail.com. I would really like to see this company go down!
C
 Jan 23rd, 2008
Thanks to the information that I've read here I can now associate a business entity with this harassment. Ebay who is also Paypal already has a class action lawsuit in the works against them for suspect business practices. I would be interested in hearing from anyone interested in starting a class action lawsuit against Ebay and IC Systems for this clearly illegal harassment. If enough people respond I will reply with the email address of an attorney who would be will to take this case on a contingency fee basis.
Lendale
 Jan 23rd, 2008
Very rude. Claimed he worked for ebay, I refused to make payment over the phone which really made him angry. Went to ebay and paid my bill, really hoping they call back so I can mess with them. Think I'll call them, at 3:30am.
Dan
 Jan 23rd, 2008
I am sure that I owe Ebay as well, and if they hadn't suspended me, they would have gotten paid.

Either way, after reading how harrassing they are, I will install a TELEZAPPER, of which I had for sale in my Ebay store and no one bought.

If it works, I will be back to update this log. Telezappers are VERY CHEAP on Ebay. If not, I will let you know either way on whether or not to invest the five bucks it costs to buy one of these things.

Lets pray the Telezapper works, because after reading some of these messages, I almost changed my phone number.
Avery
 Jan 21st, 2008
They call my cell phone atleast 3 times a day. When I do answer, they are the rudist people ever. They ask for "Jane", I say you have the wrong number and they get snappy and call me a liar and hang up, then they call back the next day.
EH
 Jan 17th, 2008
These poeple keep harrassing my 15 yr old. while in school and all the time. i called and they said they handle a number of issues. They ask me if i Know and Anthony Davis. i said no, and they said they would remove us from the system!! Whatever - im sending an email to the Attorney Gen
Shannon
 Jan 16th, 2008
This number called me 4 times between 8:30 and 9 this morning. Very annoying. I picked up on the forth call, but it was a dead line. I tried to call back, it rang about 6 times and then I was put on hold. After 5 minutes - I hung up.

After reading through this I think it'd be nice to setup an auto-dialer myself loading it with their home numbers and cell number, maybe their spouses, parents and children-living-at-home cell numbers and call them relentlessly.

If you're going to call me - at least answer the freaking phone!
Rob
 Jan 10th, 2008
I am getting the same call and have since the beginning of the month as well. They never leave a message.
hleichtnam
 Jan 08th, 2008
I've gotten a call from this number a few times, mostly weekend mornings. I hardly answer my phone and it's on vibrate 100% of the time - not too bothersome, but I guess I won't be calling the number back.
James
 Jan 07th, 2008
When you call them, there is only an automated response and nobody's really answering. It's a pain! Everyday, sometimes twice a day, they'd call.
Mav
 Jan 02nd, 2008
After giving it some thought, I came up with a really good way to get back at these people! If they're calling on your cell here's what you do. First store all their numbers under DON'T ANSWER. The numbers they've used in the past are below (I'm sure there's more too).
651-204-1349
402-935-7733
800-375-0808
888-241-8960
Once you've done that, you can set that name to SILENT on most cell phones so you don't hear it ring. Others have suggested that so nothing new there. Now for the good part!
Most cell companies include No Answer Transfer in their plans. With Verizon you punch in *71. So set the number to ICS Systems main phone number (the one they DON'T use to harass people). Now then you punch in *716-514-816409 (their number), all calls you don't answer go back to them. Just make sure you answer it if it's a friend or business or their calls are going to ICS! To deactivate (on Verizon), you punch in *73. When IC Systems calls you and you don't answer it, their harassing call gets sent right to their main phone line. They don't know who's sending it since if they have caller ID on the main line, it will show THEIR OWN phone number!!
Payback is a B*tch!!
No More ICS
 Dec 21st, 2007
I have called these people over and over telling them they are calling the wrong num. They assure me my number has been removed. One more call and I am sueing them. I think they must have a random dialing system or something.
Sleuth
 Dec 15th, 2007
I.C. SYSTEMS SHOULD BE REPORTED TO THE STATE GEBERAL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE THE DIVISION OF CONSUMER PROTECTION AS A COMPANY USING UNETHICAL, HARSH METHODS OF COLLECTION WHICH VIOLATES THE FAIR CREDIT ACT, HOWEVER MOST IMPORTANT, THEY ARE USING METHODS OF MENTAL AND EMOTIONAL ABUSE AND THAT IS WHERE A CLASS ACTION SUITE IS MOST APPROPRIATE.

IN ADDITION TO USING MULTIPLE BUSINESS NAMES AND USING UNIDENTIFIABLE PHONE NUMBRES THEY ARE ALSO DOING BUSINESS FROM UNREGISTERED PO BOXES IN VARYING STATES AND THAT IS WHERE YOU CALL YOUR STATE GENERAL ATTORNEY'S OFFICE AND REPORT THEIR CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR.
YES! IT IS CRIMINAL BEHAVIOR TO RUN AN UNIDENTIFIABLE BUSINESS USING HARSH AND FORCEFUL MEASURES FOR COLLECTING ON BILLS.
MAKE A LOUD ENOUGH NOISE AND THEY WILL BE INVESTIGATED. ALSO, ARE THEY PAYING THE APPROPRIATE STATE FEES IF THEY USE UNREGISTERED PO BOXES AND DO NOT PAY THE APPROPRIATE LICENSES FEE, TAXES TO THESE STATES? WHAT ABOUT MOVING ABOUT IN THESE STATES USING THESE MULIPLE PO BOXES? THIS COMPANY USES SO MANY NAMES, I WONDER HAVE THEY BEEN AUDITED BY THE IRS? OR INVESTIGATED BY THE FBI FOR USING GLOBAL PO BOXES? CALL THE VARYING ATTORNEY GENERALS AND FILE...FILE...FILE...CALL YOU LOCAL TV STATIONS AND FILE...FILE...FILE...YOUR COMPLAINTS...SOMEONE MUST LISTEN TO A GROUP!!!!
TRACIE
 Dec 13th, 2007
nothing
l
 Dec 07th, 2007
KINDLY DON'T CALL. I OWE NOTHING TO NO BODY.
CHAO
chao
 Dec 01st, 2007
from the Fair Debt Collection Practices Act
Section 805(c) -- Ceasing collection calls and communication

Once debt collection agents receive written notice from a consumer that he or she refuses to pay the debt or wants the collection agent to stop further collection efforts, the agent must cease any further communication with the consumer except

"(1) to advise the consumer that the debt collection agency's further efforts are being terminated;

(2) to notify the consumer that the debt collection agency or creditor may invoke specified remedies which are ordinarily invoked by such debt collection agency or creditor; or

(3) where applicable, to notify the consumer that the debt collection agency or creditor intends to invoke a specified remedy."

1. Communicating
For purposes of this section, the term "communicate" is given its commonly accepted meaning and includes phone calls and messages. Thus, the section applies to contacts with the consumer related to the collection of the debt, whether or not the debt is specifically mentioned. [53 Fed. Reg. 50104]

2. Request for payment.
When responding to a "cease communication" notice from you they may not include a demand for payment! Their response is limited to the three statutory exceptions outlined above.
harassed
 Nov 22nd, 2007
Ebay Collection Agency, let their asses call me before 8 am and after 9 pm it is AGAINST the LAW for a Debt Collector to call beyond 9pm in your time zone and before 8 am in your time zone,
private
 Nov 21st, 2007
they keep calling my cell phone all day long
Cell Phone
 Nov 14th, 2007
These people call all day long. When you answer you either get a really rude person, or an machine! They have also called at 1:30 am!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
mommyof4
 Oct 27th, 2007
they call me constantly and it is a little rediculous.
mike
 Oct 24th, 2007
They called for two hours - every 15 minutes. I filed an FTC complaint - told them I had done so - told them the person they were looking for is not at this number - They finally stopped calling AFTER I told them I'd filed a complaint.
Kate
 Oct 23rd, 2007
This is an appalling company.

They have called my house repeatedly (2-5 times daily) for a month, seeking someone named "Mario." No one by that name lives, or has ever lived, at my residence.

I have repeatedly told them to stop calling and to take my number off their list. I have told them to do so via phone, their website, and by fax. I have spoken with the consumer affairs representatives.

The calls continue. They seem to want to waste both my time and their staff's.
Hudson
 Oct 17th, 2007
Received a call from 651-204-1341 on Sunday evening, shortly after 5 pm.

This is the sixteenth time they have called. Today was the first time I picked up the receiver when I saw their name on the ID box.

I didn't say anything, but a recorded female voice began speaking.

"Hello, this is I.C. Systems. We are a debt collection agency. Please call us at 888-229-8848 to discuss this matter. Any information we received will be used for the purpose of collecting this debt."

I'm on the Do Not Call list and have filed several complaints against these bogus callers.
owenobill
 Oct 14th, 2007
I answered and got a voice recording saying "please stay on the line for a representative" then hold music. It was on a Sunday.
Cell Phone
 Oct 14th, 2007
These dikbags suck. It's IC Systems, a collection agancy for ebay. Telling these jakoffs they are calling the wrong person does no good - they keep calling.

IC systems ... F-Off!

In the process of filing complaint with FCC, FTC, and BBB.
jwh
 Oct 04th, 2007
Do no pay them a dime. This IC systems, a third party company that ebay sends their outstanding debts to. U can pay your debt to ebay by going to ebay.com. i wouldn't trust ic systems at all. I have answered many times and have has the rudest people on earth. Where do they find these people?
Alica
 Oct 02nd, 2007
i get 5 calls a day from this number quite annoying. the number 651-204-1341 shows up
mike
 Sep 16th, 2007
They're calling me now, haven't talk to them, but I will most certainly.
Eric
 Sep 07th, 2007
I got a call from these idiots the other day and again today. They want to collect money for Ebay. I told them my wife handles that account and I will have her call them back. He called me later that day and cursed me because my wife didn't call yet! I told him to F*** Off!
Jeremy
 Aug 31st, 2007
I've submitted a FTC complaint too on this company. They call for a person not on my staff or office. I am a practicing physician and have not a single outstanding bill. I've asked 17 times for them to remove me from the computer caller but they dont.
Ronald Carver
 Aug 28th, 2007
They caLl alot but I have ringback tones on my phone that plays music insted of ringing. They allways hang up after the first ring
Derek
 Aug 23rd, 2007
Harassing phone calls - They never leave any msgs. Calls come at all hours.
TS Conlee
 Aug 18th, 2007
Just do what I did, answer and politely say "SORRY WRONG NUMBER" (lol)...REALLY try it!
KT
 Aug 17th, 2007
they call all the time, never leave a message, i never answer, calls are all day and night , very aggravating,,,
dianne
 Aug 13th, 2007
It called my cell phone again. It's really bothering. how to make this unhappen anymore?
franstin
 Aug 10th, 2007
Collection agency that I suppose purchased bad receivables. One they call my cell number for is regarding a Ebay account. I have told them a dozen times they have the wrong number, but it does not seem to matter to them.

Requirements for working there must be: applicant must fog a mirror, no brain required.
AMP
 Aug 07th, 2007
called my cellphone.
franstin
 Aug 06th, 2007

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